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General Questions

Where will be the hacker convention be held? In the classroom or the library? -Mayank

It will be held in the normal classroom. Although maybe for next year the format be more traditional presentations so we can use the overhead projector. I have difficulty seeing some presentations at the beginning because they were on the small classroom monitors. --kdietze3

I agree. Our normal classroom was very insufficient as a room for a convention. I had difficulty presenting our hacker project as well as viewing other people's project. Hopefully the next semester's class will be luckier. --ltolentino3

Also agreed, in my English 1101 class we held our presentations for semester long projects in the room next to Jasmine's in the library, and I was genuinely shocked at the number of people, students and other professors, who came to it. In just my group we had 5 people in our group, and there was rarely a point in time where a single one of us was not talking to someone who was genuinely interested in our project. - Michael

I know this is a bit too last to ask, but why isn't there a page for Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard? We did read a selection of it and though it was a Famiglietti lead discussion we did discuss it. It was one of my favorite texts and very though-provoking. It would have been interesting to see what people thought of that text considering the level of writing sophistication. Maybe for next semester make sure all the short selections we read end up on the wiki?

I do not want to speak for the professor here, but I am pretty sure someone could do a pioneer badge for Simulacra and Simulation by Jean Baudrillard. It would certainly be easy to connect to class themes, though I am not sure how well it would do concerning getting classmates to contribute. I would, but then again, sometimes I feel like the only one who actually read Simulacra and Simulation.

I noticed that the only available link to the "BoingBoing and Badges Days" page was in the page showing all the pages in the Wiki. I went ahead and re-added it into the Useful Links section, but I'd like to know if that was intentional or not. - 28 April 2011

Just thought I'd say that our classroom was not conducive at all to a hacker convention, and that perhaps next semester, finding a more suitable location should be of a higher priority.  Also, it wasn't really all that much of a hacker convention anyway, considering no one showed up and we ended up presenting our projects to each other (which we've done multiple times before).

It certainly would be a lot better to find a large space where people can genuinely set up for a project, instead of having to throw desks together for tables, and clear a walkway of desks to get to the projects. When there were only a handful of students in the room, it was okay, but as more and more people filtered in, it started to get very crowded-- not to mention noisy! --Jmayhue3 15:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Page Design

I took a stab at redesigning the front page. Let me know if you don't like it or have any suggestions. Also if you feel like changing it yourself, this Website helps a lot. Knowing how to edit CSS helps too. Taylorskalyo 03:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks great!  I submitted a potential logo to Dr. Famiglietti, so that might go up soon.  Also, do you guys think it would be a good idea to add thumbnails to the links for the readings?  I've been thinking adding some for visual appeal, but if anybody thinks that it'll be clunky then I won't. --Ben
I like the idea of adding thumbnails. The bottom half of the front page is pretty bland, so some icons would be nice. It would also give people some more opportunities to earn the graphics badge. --Rcrl3 23:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
The main page looks fantastic, great work to everyone that edit/contributed. kdietze3

There was Something wrong with the Wiki Home page, I have reverted it down one version. Version latest (that was undone) was 490 smt Kb. this one is much larger, the largest recent (only one revision previous) version of the main page. -mayank

The home page looks good. Although soon people will probably start posting more on the Wiki and adding more links under the archelogical find section, which could make that list really long and effect the balance of the page. Just something to be watching out for. --Norangio3 15:52, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

We should get rid of the YMCA storm troopers and replace it with the class symbol. jpham7

I have to agree here, while they are interesting once you figure out what they are doing, they add little to the page itself. --Norangio3 02:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
I personally don't know how to change that picture so can somebody else do it for me.--Jpham7 15:59, 8 April 2011 (UTC) The home page looks good but the links at the bottom of the page are beginning to get overwhelming.  This might be a big step but creating a seperate page for each of the categories and listing from seperate pages may be more aesthetically appealing and would make finding information easier in my opinion.Although I enjoy the storm troopers, they may not be the most appropriate home page button. Maybe if those were put on the actual page and the logo going across the top of the home page could be cropped and set as the home page button. --Punnava3 19:06, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
I also agree that even though the logo/picture is neat, it really contributes little and gives the page a less professional look. I've also looked for where it can be edited but can't find anything. Bmenn3 22:51, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Can we please change the picture with Ash Misty and Brock? It is really awkward, and not to mention out of place with Famiglietti randomly pasted on it. I appreciate the pokemon reference, I really do, but I don't think it is appropriate for our wiki.--Crossi7 23:09, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree it is out of place for the front page, but keep in mind someone probably posted it mainly to be able to apply for the graphics guru badge. I suggest that it be moved to a page where it is more relevant, say to the Badge Checklist page or something similar? What do you think? Msmith312 15:18, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree. I didn't think that someone did it specifically for a badge, but that makes sense. Even still though, there could have been at least a slight bit more effort than a quick copy and paste. I mean, like it or not the entire class has put many hours into this wiki and putting random things that make it look bad kinda send a bad message to those who have worked on it awhile. I don't mean to sound too critical, its just my thoughts. --Crossi7 05:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I understand the concern, perhaps a decision on the tone of any visual media incorporated on the site needs to be made for the good of the wiki (I smell Policy Wonk, anyone?). Perhaps inclusion of these "seemingly random things" isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long as the randomness is either meant to convey humor (as in the case of the stormtroopers), or is related to a specific topic on that page (in the case of the pokemon badge collection pic if it were in the badge checklist page or something similar). I think, however, one of the issues you bring up is quality, and unlike text its very hard for other users to edit an image short of taking it out of the page (which it seems someone has done for the pokemon reference picture). To address this, what do you all think we should do? Should we mutually agree that any member has the power to remove an image that does not reasonably contribute to the wiki, or should we bring any such concerns up on these discussion pages and leave it to the discretion of the original file author or our professor to remove/move them? Maybe there's a happy medium between these two? Thoughts? Msmith312 23:35, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
So does anyone know where we moved the pokemon picture too? I only ask because it's my favorite picture on the wiki. I laughed pretty hard when I saw it for the first time. I'm laughing now while thinking about it. - Jeff

You all make good points, but lets remember here, the main picture in the upper left is storm troopers doing the YMCA.....therefore I do not think the "random things" sending a "bad message" argument is valid. --Norangio3 16:20, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Norangio3, the stormtroopers create a type of humor that does not feel professional.  It also looks awkward when next to the larger images on the page. -gstearns3

The newly added banner greatly improves the aesthetic of the home page, but it's large size prevents audiences with smaller resolution screens from viewing the entire homepage at once. I personally have to scroll side to side. Can we please scale it down? --ltolentino3

I really like the current assignments section.  Whoever thought to add that there, props to you. 

Nevermind I scaled it down myself. What do you guys think? -- ltolentino3

Much better,thanks. Still a little too large for my laptop screen, but I think for most people it should be fine. --Rcrl3 00:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Its still a little too large, in my opinon.  
It is apparent that the audience of the wiki has a variety of screen resolutions. While the main page may appear aesthetically pleasing to others, it might appear too large to sum. Does anyone know of a code that will allow automatic scaling of the banner depending on the reader's screen resolution? -- ltolentino3
I believe that requires access to the server of the site. It also requires a working knowledge of php and other details that are too complicated to do within the boundaries of a wiki.

Just want to say to whoever designed the banner for the top of this page: That banner is epic

I've tried scaling the banner down, but wiki markup lacks the flexibility of HTML I had hoped for (percentage width and background images for tables). I'll scale it down to 1024x200px and hope it'll work better for others. I might tweak it a hair too. Thanks for the complements. Bmenn3 22:48, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Just resized the image and there really isn't much room for more stuff, so it'll have to be as it for now. Bmenn3 22:57, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

The layout of this page and the images on it really give the page a clean, professional look. It is easy to navigate and clearly laid out so that visitors can find pages quickly. --Jdavenport8 03:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


I noticed that a few wiki pages are getting the front cover images of the books added (e.g. Schismatrix and I do not see credit given. Not to be nit picky, but this is a college English class where credit has to be given for sources. So whomever is doing that, give credit to the source (usually in the image's description on it's file page).Tanner 19:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

New Pages

I have added a Themed page on the idea of real vs fake. It would be great if everyone could contribute to it, and give me ideas on improving the page or adding to it. Here is the link -Sri

I think it may reduce clutter on the main page as well as beef up the Common Themes page to merge the real vs fake page into the common themes page. I'm not sure it alone warrants a devoted page yet. Ismith30 19:33, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I believe that by having separate themed pages, we can have the opportunity for more people to contribute, and an opportunity for more people to create pages. - Sri

I think its easier to discuss how a theme relates to each specific book when they have separate pages, since there can be a section for each novel. However, that seems fairly tedious and repetitive, since the themes are usually mentioned on each novel's page. I think there should just be one common themes page for simplicity's sake. I believe the only page missing now is the Real vs. Copy page. --Rcrl3 22:55, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I merged Real vs Copy with Common Themes. I'll go ahead and remove the link to it on this page. --Rcrl3 00:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

There is an archeologist page "human enough". This is a large theme that we discussed in class, and it should be a great link from the common themes page, and a great page to add to. 


If it gets to the point where there are way too many of these types of pages populating the main page, another page will be created to host a directory of all the new and revived pages. We could possibly use the categories feature of MediaWiki to easily create directory pages and keep them organized.

Agreed. Also, in the Pioneer section as of right now, there are 4 links, 3 of which concern class themes. These 3 could easily be merged into the Common Themes article. This would reduce clutter as well as create a single article with all the information about themes. Ismith30 00:48, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Sounds good. I like Ismith's comment about grouping common archeology pages together.  We definitely don't want a bunch of random pages just floating around.  I think as we begin adding new pages to the wiki, we should try very hard to implement them into appropriate hierarchies.  -- Ben
Would be great. One thing that could be really useful is adding some java script to the wiki so when you hover over some of the pages we have never seen or heard of you get a "preview" in the toolbar on the left side of the screen. Could be really useful to quickly browse the new content.
I think we should get on this soon. As the semester comes to a close, more people will start adding new pages and reviving old ones. I think it would be good to set the precedent now. I like the symmetry of the homepage as it is now, so perhaps we should not just get rid of the Archaeology and Pioneering sections on the homepage. Maybe we could provide links to different aggregation pages in those sections instead of all the pages themselves. I am thinking there could be a page where new tropes are aggregated, another for class discussion pages (which seem to be all the rage right now), and another for pages on works from outside of class. What do you think? E.t.dale 20:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
It looks like some of the pages in the Pioneer section fit in with the Useful Links section, too. So maybe we should move them over since the Pioneer section is starting to get really long.

I have created a page dedicated to coordinating archeological efforts, which is also a good place to list Archeological Finds. However, I am hesitant to remove the column that is already on the main page, as the layout looks unbalanced without it. Thoughts? Robert'); DROP TABLE Students;-- 03:37, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

As I was saying above, perhaps we should keep those sections in place and fill them with aggregation pages. For example, as you yourself listed on the archaeology page, there could be separate "visual essay," "proposed trope/working tropes," and "fiction work" aggregation pages. So under the archaeology heading on the homepage, there would be three links, each to its respective aggregation page. Something similar could be done for the pioneering section. I think this would help organize new content, as well as streamline the homepage. What do you think? E.t.dale 12:50, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I think this would apply well to the pioneering section as well where we could split the links into several categories, because I'm seeing a similar level of disorganization occurring in that section.

Alot of the pioneering links contain similar information.  Does anyone think a regrouping is in order? -gstearns3

Many of the pioneering badges are structured in content and format to facilitate the use of first person writing when contributing to these pages, yet as of now it is policy to limit the use of first person to the discussion/talk sections of pages. I am referring to pages like "What do you think of the Badges?" and the favorite/worst readings page, not pages like the common themes or I, Robot. As the formerly mentioned pages are more like discussion pages themselves, can we edit this policy to allow first person on pages such as these?

Page Analysis

On the Schismatrix page I'm prototyping a reformat of our current "Discussion" sections (which have turned into an unreadable wall of text, simply due to the nature of the discussion). Can you guys review it and the explanation of why I'm implementing this (it's on the Schismatrix Talk Page)? Thanks!--Tswihart3 19:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Edited a few things to make the see also's nicer, but it seems quite nice. Must take a bit of work. Tanner 21:45, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that on at least on the He, She and It page, some people have used the first person "I" to argue different claims. This usually isn't used in academic writing, and I think it prevents the discussion from having one clear voice. How do people feel about revising these claims to not use the first person? --Rcrl3 15:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I definitely agree, it is certainly a pet peeve of mine that people are using first person on literary analysis and making claims. I don't mind starting to edit the page, particularly to rack up a few of the 25 editions I need for the Able Editor badge.
Thanks, I think I've revised most of the ones on the He, She and It page, but I'm sure there are plenty of others with this problem. --Rcrl3 00:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Also we need some serious consistency among the titles and headlines of the different sections. Some places say "Questions", while others say "Questions/Prompts", and in the same respect we have "Analysis" vs. "Responses". I'm planning on going through and changing it all to "Questions/Prompts" and "Analysis", and I will be targeting any other consistency concerns.
Agreed. I suppose whatever titles occur the most often should probably be what we choose to stick with. --Rcrl3 00:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

New Policy

Hey I just made a Pioneer Policy page that adjusts the policy of the wiki to accommodate the pioneer badges. There had been discussion on various pages of the wiki concerning how the pioneer pages should be constructed so I went ahead and instituted a policy based on the purpose of this wiki. Feedback? Adjustments?

I would say that all pages fitting under this description should be placed as Talk pages under the subject they are discussing. For example, the What Have Been Your Favorite and Worst Readings from Class? page should most likely be split among the talk pages of the corresponding novels/stories/essays. Talk pages are made exactly for that purpose, as the wiki is supposed to only contain objective information and analysis. --Jmicali13 17:51, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree.Some of the current pioneer pages don't exactly fit in with any themes or actually relate to classwork in any way.--Chood 14:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with this.  If someone could split them by topic perhaps (for example, pioneer pages that refer specifically to readings, those that tie class themes to real-world events, etc.)
Also, having 3 or 4 pages that are all, in short, "How did your Final Artifact Project Go?" seems completely wonked. While I understand that people are trying to get the Wiki Pioneer badge, having that many pages that are, basically, the exact same thing is absurd. Instead of having one coherent page for that sort of discussion, we currently have 3 quarter pages, as each group has filled in their own info only on their personal page. --Tswihart3 13:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
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